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QUESTION:
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Bialy
Sent: Oct 29, 2009 7:45 AM
Subject: Pregnant mares and foaling
I want to make sure I do things right with Bree, so she and the foal are both healthy and get everything they both need.
She should be 6 months along, and the foal is due around March 27. I'm hoping to have her checked and confirmed pregnant by the vet when she comes to snip Ranger. But I can't imagine her not being pregnant. It will just be nice having the vet say "yes, she is" and knowing for sure.
Shots? Wormer? Supplements? What do you do with your pregnant mares from 6 months on? So far, I've been feeding her normally, but giving her and the others extra because of this cold weather. Brome and alfalfa hay, plus at night they get soaked beet pulp with their grain. They also get loose salt and minerals.
Thanks!
Lisa Bialy
Firewalkers Ranch
Bennett, Colorado
ANSWER:
I would add a cup of hi fat
soy for the highly digestible lysine content. The horse can only
get lysine out of alfalfa in the small intestine, and about 25%
of the lysine is digested from alfalfa, the rest goes into the
large intestine and can't be used. The fat gives added
calories. start out 1/4 c, several days, 1/2 c, 3/4 c, the 1 c
in gradual progression. Horses manufacture the rest of the B
vitamins in the gut from their bacteria. Since CO doesn't have
access to green grass, and the water soluble vitamins are
rapidly gone from hay, I give all my horses Clovite, 1 tbsp per
day, and from 5 m gestation on I give Osteoform to make sure of
the bone/tendon building balances are met. I use free choice
Equipride tubs for the vitamins as the mare can consume what she
needs as she needs it. It also has digestive enzymes that help
utilize all of the feed you give. Less manure with less
undigested hay. My 24 hr old foals are licking the Equipride
tubs as well. I have had no fall colds since I started using
the Equipride tubs. It also gives me the peace of mind that the
mare/whoever can regulate what they need as they need it.
I do not vaccinate with the
rhino. I only vaccinate in the spring or do so 6 w to 2 m prior
to foaling so the the antibodies are optimal for the colostrum.
I feed 1/3 alfalfa to 2/3 grass to 1/2 and 1/2. No minerals are
passed thru the milk so whatever the foal has stored from in
utero has to last until adequate feed intake commences...1 m or
so on. I set up a separate area so the mom cannot get into it
and have a bucket of free choice Triple Crown Junior (low
carbohydrates so no sugar spikes) mixed with loose equipride,
small amount of soy, osteoform/clovite, and on the side a fine
hay/alfalfa to nibble on. Most of my foals almost double in wt
in 1 m, that is a lot of growth. I will also use Rejuvenade...a
liquid vitamin at 3cc per 100 lb until I feel they are eating
enough on their own. If I see any tendon/bone issues I will
continue that plus Osteoform until resolved.
Whew, a lot of info but that is
what I do, those first 6 months and in utero growth set up the
whole rest of their lives, it can't be skimped on, and an
intensive nutritional program until they are 1 yr is better.
Growth continues until 6 or so to reach full maturity with the
fastest growth in the first year. I do not want a fat foal, but
neither do I like to see ribs. The mare produces 25 gal of milk
and day, so she needs about 25,000 calories a day. I never want
to see a 'ribby' mare, and if she is going into winter, I like
to have to press to feel ribs, as the foal can take her weight
down quickly and she needs the reserves for cold weather. An
obese mare (score 7 or higher) can have foaling problems due to
fat dystocia, so the weight needs managed carefully.
I would love to have green
grass but the quality of the grass is dependent upon the
quality of the soil. Many soils are depleted of nutrients, thus
pretty grass but not meeting nutritional needs. Beware. Green
grass is NOT ENOUGH. Worm load on the pasture cannot be
underrated. If there is a heavy parasite load, no matter what
you feed, the horse will be robbed of what they need. I use
rotational wormers accordance with the season, have your vet do
fecal samples in the fall to see if you have tape worms that
need to be addressed. These will only show up in the fall, Oct
or so, and worm accordingly. It is easy for a 6 m foal to have
the mesenteric artery (blood supply to the gut) blocked by worms
and die of colic. Not to mention damage to the other organ
systems that migrating worms destroy...lungs, arteries, scarred
guts that then can't digest and utilize nutrients. Sooo...I
worm my pregnant mare about 1 wk before foaling and at
foaling...Ivermectin and then one of the others...NOT
Moxidectin. I then worm my foals every 2 m along with the rest
of the herd. If I see a big belly, 'ribby' look, I have the vet
check for worms in a fecal and follow their recommendations.
Moxidectin is not to be used until the foal is over 6 m of age
and hasn't been studied in pregnant/nursing mares or stallions
used for breeding. Consult your vet. Foals eat their dam's
manure to develop and replace intestinal flora. Foals can get
scours (diarrhea) with the mares heat at 7 and 28 days, so I
like to have a paste probiotic on hand which will usually
rebalance the gut. This can be given after 24 hrs of age as
well. Foals can dehydrate and die very easily...playing one
hour and in serious trouble the next...observe carefully and
call the vet if concerned.
I do imprint my foals, I do not
get in between the mare and her foal. They need to bond to each
other, not to me. I try to have a quiet, relaxing environment
with a minimum of commotion as the foal's nervous system is
hypersensitive and rough touch, loud noises, bright lights are a
shock to the system....I do gently dry them off, blow in their
nostrils THRU MY NOSE (they don't need to smell my last meal),
welcome them to the world, and tell them how glad I am they have
joined me in this adventure. I then stand by until they nurse
well. I watch for the first poop and pee, and give a small
fleet enema if they seem to be straining a lot. Between 14-24
hrs of age I have the vet out to check mom and baby, and to do a
serum antibody level on the baby. If the antibodies are not
high enough, odds are your baby will die as they have no
immunity of their own. DO NOT FEED THE BABY ANYTHING BY MOUTH
THE FIRST 24 HRS OF LIFE. This will cause the gut to close
prematurely and the foal will not be able to absorb any more
antibodies form the mare. I use Chlorhexadrine to treat the
umbilical stump asap once broken. I continue to treat it twice
a day until it is dry. If you use a Betadine solution,
check the concentration and make sure it is dilute 0.5% or so as
there is a risk of burning the foal's skin if it is too strong.
I also use the Equine Stress
Control which greatly settles the fear response in the foal and
they are much more able to accept the early halter lessons,
etc. The Essential Oils from Young Living of Peace and Calming,
Gentle Baby, Harmony, Vetiver, Valor, and Valerian are all good
oils to have on hand for a birth as they aid soothing the
hypersensitive nervous system as well as soothing the mare. You
can apply them to your hands or diffuse them in the birthing
area. If there is respiratory difficulty, RC and Raven are
fantastic for opening the respiratory passages. Again, apply
the oils to your hands or hold the bottle near the nostrils 2-3"
away, and if the horse rejects them respect their choice and
offer another or allow them to choose the oil from a group.
Lipping, grabbing, nudging all indicate their choice of that
particular oil that will help them the most. I can order these
oils for you or assist you to sign up so you can get the
wholesale prices. There are many others that are amazing for
fighting infections, 100% pure, organic, therapeutic grade
essential oils. I hope this helps stimulate your thoughts and
there are many ways to get to the same goal, these are just my
choices developed thru the last 10 years of foaling, and any day
I may learn something new that will change how I manage my
pregnant mares and their foals.
Let joy and happiness be yours,
Maxine
QUESTION:
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Bialy
Sent: Oct 29, 2009 7:45 AM
Subject: Pregnant mares and foaling
What grain do you give your
mares, where you add the soy, clovite and osteo-form? Right now,
I've been using Mary's 4-way mix from Elizabeth Feed. I will
have to go to the barn and grab the tag so I can tell you what's
in it, but it's a sweet feed.
And I also have Ranger, my stud muffin, who is 2 1/2 and growing
like a weed and having a hard time keeping up with his
metabolism. And I have Eowyn, my new 2 1/2 year old filly, who
is already 15.1 and I want to make sure she is getting the right
stuff as well. And keeping her well away from Ranger!
ANSWER:
I mix it with the Triple Crown
Growth.
http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/growth.php Here is the
web site for more information. The problem with sweet feeds is
they jack the sugar up and down, which in utero can set up joint
malformations. The digestive enzymes in Equipride will help them
fully utilize the feed they do get so you no longer see
undigested hay pieces in the manure. So, you get more bang for
your buck and the horses keep weight on better. I call that a
win-win, for horses, $$, and peace of mind. See the Equipride
web site here:
http://equilix.com/equipride.html for more
information. Lisa Rasmussen is our local go-to person for them,
email:
equipride@comcast.net Please, ask what you need.
Best, Maxine
I USE THIS:
The Horse Journal,
Amerdon:
Here is some feedback on a product I found by using
The Horse Journal's book: The Horse Journal Guide to Equine
Supplements and Nutraceuticals that compiled your study results in one place. Thanks for your thoughtful evaluations and the excellent idea of putting them into a book form to
consolidate the information. We had a colt, Braveheart, who had a very
difficult birth, no presenting parts, then 1 front leg, and one hind leg were found, no head, in short, it took 2 vets and 3 techs 1 hr 35 min to get the colt born. Our vet of 40 yrs said it was his 2nd hardest delivery and the only one he has pulled that was alive. (The hardest was a c-section to save the mare.) In short, the pulling on his leg damaged his stifle. I am sending his initial
x-ray, where he was put on stall/run rest and osteoform, feb 25, 2009, I think. Apr 4, we took a 2nd x ray, we could see endophytes (pieces of bone fingers) forming. We ordered
Rapid Response F from
Amerdon after studying the pros/cons in your HJ book. On June 25 we took the 3rd x ray and his stifle was completely normal: there was no indication there was ever an injury. We used
slightly more than a gallon of Rapid Response F in those 2 months. That was the best $300 we ever spent.
I hope this will be of interest to you. It is on the hoof mechanism and
there are allot more in this area of u-tube. This is why I try not to shoe
my horses. The hoof wall and the sole hit the ground, spread, then the frog
hits the ground as the full wt of the horse lands, then the reverse happens
as the hoof becomes unweighted. This acts as "pump" mechanism for the blood
flow in the hoof, resulting in thicker hoof walls and soles. Calluses also
form just like ours do when we go barefoot, This callus should not be
removed as it protects the inner hoof structures. This allows the full hoof
to support the coffin bone which does best parallel to the ground. When the
horse is shod, the shoe locks the hoof into place and does not allow
expansion, thus limiting blood supply and causing poorer horn and sole
quality. The coffin bone hits the sole with no ground support as well when
the horse is shod.
It takes a full year for new hoof to grow from the coronary band to the
ground, the sole as well. We wouldn't go from no shoes to rocks immediately
and neither will your horse.
There is natural selection in the wild horse model: bad hooves, the horse
becomes food and the genetics are not passed on. We by pass this with our
domestic equines. Some horses will do fine completely barefoot, others will
not due to their genetics. I do believe that by keeping horses barefoot
when not being ridden, the hoof quality WILL improve, you horse will feel
better, and there are a variety of boots out there for when the horse is
being ridden on rocky terrain.
I hope this is of interest and stimulates some thought,